It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. VERY nice work. Known as the Rod-Bayonet or Model 1888 Rifle. Velocity is 1,410 FPS from 18″ barrels. yes i meant Swiss 2f black powder, some time my fingers and mind don't work together lol. This is usually done with 1, 2 or possibly more wads being pushed down on top of the powder column before seating the bullet. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. The Springfield seems to like the harder cast as much as a soft lead boolit but doesn't like jacketed. Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. I just bought a Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor rifle. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. From a hide , about 50 yards. I also shoot BPCR and have several 45-70's and found those 3 articles very interesting. The 500 grain round nose bullet is heavy enough to provide the resistance ot the initial gas push to sit and expand to the rifling before moving in the barrel. The Officer’s Model is no ordinary Trapdoor and as the name suggests it was intended to be a private purchase by officers of the US Cavalry, as opposed to an issue firearm like the Cavalry Carbine and full length Infantry Rifle. People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. It never hurts to bell the case mouth. the primer seated in the primer pocket. i bought a Springfield 45-70 trap door i need some information on reloading the ammo,i have been told to use swift 2f black powder 65 gr. It mounted the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010001-002_zpsryr4czlr.jpg.html>http://smg.photobucket.com/user/waksupi/media/P1010003-002_zpsrxu7esez.jpg.html> this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. The gun, in both full-length and carbine versions, was widely used in subsequent battles against the American Indians. it takes a long eye relief scope, mines a … 1 hard to find one this nice! The 1879 "Buckhorn" rear sight is my favorite, mainly because it is adjustable for windage. Last worked on by Springfield in 1893. I had a Sharps 1863 carbine converted to 50/70 by the military and it also shot about 14" high at 100 yards but shot dead on at 200 yds. Slight scratch on RHS butt stock. The Trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. Earlier sights (1873) did not have the windage. The musket barrels were left as they were and utilised .58-calibre, copper-cased rimfire ammunition. I don't spend much time on the computer any more. During the past year I scratched a longstanding itch and bought a nice Mod. (Thanks to Steve Adair for the pictures showing a trapdoor Springfield.) If you are shooting a 405 grain hollow base bullet, I would look askance at using an over-powder wad. Trapdoor Gemmer Rifle .45-70 for sale online. The Association's central purpose is to help shooters enjoy casting bullets, You must enable JavaScript to be able to use this site in full, 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY.doc, Welcome to The Cast Bullet Association Forum, TC Contenders & Other Single Shot Handguns, 68 grains Swiss FFg - Compressed - Drop tube, .030 fiber over-powder wad, 030 milk carton wad soaked in lube, SAECO 1881 500 grain round-nose - 25/1 Pb/Sn alloy, SPG lubed; sized in a .460 only to get lubed. ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. Plugged cases filled with lead alloy or with a piece of dowel also work well. The model 1884 incorporated a significant number of improvements that had been made between 1878 and 1879. This is our lighter recoiling 45/70. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. Take the plugged case out, put the primed and charged case in the chamber and the rifle was ready to fire. I don't visit this Forum real often but I do check back every now and then. hard to find one this nice! He has included a number of … Now our trapdoors are shooting at a far higher level of accuracy than ever before. Bore excellent. Remington still loads some .45-70 ammunition to safe levels for the Trapdoor; they're labeled as such. I will use Black Hills .45-70 Cowboy loads. Trapdoor Springfield rifle in 45-70. how does this sound to you? Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by chuck faison, Aug 25, 2009. NEW FOR YOU The Springfield model 1884 was one of the "Trapdoor Springfield" rifles. they were written specifically for beginners and they are in TFS # 215, Jan-Feb 2012, TFS #216, March-April 2016, and TFS #225 Sep-Oct 2013. My problem is the trigger pull. Belling the case mouth seals the case mouth against the chamber and keeps that blow-by from happening. I have a very nice Trapdoor with a mint bore. It is equipped with the Buffington sight that is adjustable for windage and elevation. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. The trapdoor Springfield outlived Custer. If you searching to check on Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle And What Makes Air Rifle Shoot Half Moon Pattern price. The oldest.45-70 Gov’t I’ve shot is a Springfield Model 1873 “Trapdoor” Carbine with “US/MODEL/1873” stamped on its breechblock. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). The Springfield Trapdoor Cartridge Rifle and Carbine was produced for the military in 1873. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. People sometimes refer to the "Sandy Hook Tests" of 1879, where the army tested the Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor at two miles. In the past I used a home-made dipper made from a pistol cartridge case with a piece of 14 gauge copper wire soldered on for a handle. My favorite .45-70 black powder load for several rifles is: This is not the flattest shooting load for long range matches, it requires several more minutes elevation over a pointed bullet at 600 yards. Mr. Laffoly threw in a box of ammunition after I paid, which was his way with the younger shooters. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. Why Choose Us? If you would like more data from my shooting, send me a personal reply and I will go into depth. Another good source of factory ammunition for the Trapdoor is the "Cowboy" loads; they're loaded to mild pressure levels and have lead bullets that are easier on the aging steel of the venerable Springfield rifles. He has included a number … a 405 grain hallow base bullet and to compress the powder. Only you will know. Much better than the ice pick. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. get low cost} prices Shooting Edge Gunsmith And Springfield Trapdoor Gunsmithing now. 0. It was an 1888 version in pristine shape. Also comes with original front sight and rear peep sight. It is loaded with the same 300 grain Hornady JHP used in our full strength 45/70. The resulting .4570 cartridge went on to fame in Winchester and Remington rifles, but in the trapdoor Springfield it was a miserable failure. It seems the older I get, the less time there is to do things. I pan lube with SPG, that has worked best for me, each his or her own for lube and application. Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. Farm boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. The wad gets pushed into the hollow base and interferes with the expansion. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. I am really looking forward to shooting it. After the case mouth is belled, throw a charge of powder in the case. During the following 20 years quite a big number of Springfield Trapdoor rifles have been manufactured, among them also many versions with smooth barrel for cadets, for the target shooting and destined to the Officers. With the pitted bore near the muzzle, I would consider having the rifle counterbored 8 inches to sound rifling, with a perfect crown. I was developing loads for a friend's rifle and the shooting high was a pain. What you mean by "modern ammo" and "trapdoor springfield" in the same sentence I have NO CLUE. The server has not detected any activity for the last 3 hours. They all shoot high from this position. A Fine Example of the Trapdoor Springfield Rod-Bayonet Infantry Rifle. According to my notes, my very pretty 1873 Trapdoor liked the following: Brass: Remington (or Starline or whatever you can find) 35gr IMR 3031 Oregon Trail Laser Cast 405gr (0.459" - my bore slugged 0.460 best I could tell). Look for your answers in our Forum and in our bi-monthly publication the Fouling Shot. Most are in decent shooting condition and are still affordable, but 90 percent of the existing Trapdoors out there are .45-70s. I think this test helped get the 500-grain M1881 bullet and cartridge. also would like to know if i use less powder can i use a patch or something to fill the void between the powder and the bullet?i am looking for the right way to reload these.thank you. I was casting and reloading for the 30/06 at that time, and bought a Lyman 457191 305 grain mold to make bullets; but couldn't come up with the cash for the reloading dies, shell holder and sizing dies for a while. Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful.45-70 military cartridge. The result of the quest for a more accurate, flatter shooting .45 caliber cartridge and firearm was the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. It is safe in all firearms (in good condition) chambered for this caliber. i cajoled my dad every three hours to let me get a lyman tool for my 218 bee ... he finally caved in when he saw my crutched up loading methods ... Maybe instead of wads taking up that excess space, put a wad in on top of the powder and fill the rest of the space with a grease cookie. The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. Here are some photos to help explain this reloading method: Metal has some pitting around the wood stock, wood is solid with dings and scratchs you would expect for a 130 year old firears, no cracks. If you go to the posts and look for strings in my name, you will see my sojourn so far with the Trapdoors. It retains most of its original finish and sports an 1881 cartouche. The hammer on a trap door Springfield is just the right size for belling the case mouth; a necessary step in reloading low velocity loads. The bore and chamber look. This had a … The stout cartridge propels a hefty 405 grain lead bullet at around 1400 fps. BECAUSE: * Some modern .45-70 ammo is currently loaded so it is held to the 18,000 CUP pressure limits, and thus is safe in .45-70 trapdoor rifles in good condition. That prevents accurate shooting as for as I am concerned. This will fit almost all Trapdoor Springfield rifles and carbines except cadet models and M1888 ramrod bayonet models but is correct for pieces made before about SN 78.000. Jim He said the government never liked to change things and the butt plate screws for GI rifles were the same ones that were made for the civil war muskets. Mine shot just like Rich-Siegel's. If you are shooting a 405 grain hollow base bullet, I would look askance at using an over-powder wad. The 1873 US Springfield Trapdoor chambered in.45/70 is a true American classic and perfectly capable of taking large sized game today. Put a bullet in the chamber, push it in with a plugged case and close the door on the plugged case to breech-seat the bullet. Guess the problem was known to even film writers. This Trapdoor wears a Buffington rear sight with a … Use the case in the gun that you seated the primer with. This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. The rifle is all original and saw little use. The primer is seated a little above the head of the case. Joined: Sep 27, 2007 Messages: 10. 1873 Springfield. I'm guessing you mean Swiss 2f powder. 6.7 LOADING THE SPRINGFIELD 45-70 THE EASY WAY   Like a 1750 ft-lb of muzzle energy wallop. By the way, I hope you're using a black powder lube when loading those bullets over black powder rather than any of the smokeless powder lubes. beautiful preservation! Back in the days before hip surgery, and eye floaters, guess were alittle late here, a good book on trapdoors and reloading for them is by pat and spencer wolfe,has a lot of info including how to safely lighten trigger pull and wealth of historical info on these guns, overall agood read   imo, never late for good information Thanks I just almost finished putting together an 1868-70 50-70. Allin was granted a patent for his design on Sept 19th, 1865. The Trapdoor was further modified in 1884 with a new (Buffington) rear sight that gave windage correction and the rifle soldiered on until replaced by the bolt-action 30/40 Krag-Jørgensen in 1892, which was the US’ first smokeless cartridge. In fact this very gun was used to almost completely wipe out the largest land mammal in North America. Learn from CBA members that have been casting their entire life. I put 2 into it, but I think the first one would have done it. I remembered hearing a line in an old movie from when I was a kid, with the master sergeant in some imaginary 'Battle of Filmdom Gulch' admonishing his men to ''shoot at their knees', or something like that. Keep us posted on your progress because a few of us will be and are interested. It bore the bayonet thrust through Crazy Horse, and fired the bullet that killed Sitting Bull. I took my first bear with a trapdoor cadet. Good luck with those Buffington sights. Others are so pristine they look like they were never issued. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the Krag–Jørgensen bolt-action rifle. The plugged case shown is filled with epoxy. H & R 1873 Springfield Trapdoor Officers Model in very good condition. Most are in decent shooting condition and are still affordable, but 90 percent of the existing Trapdoors out there are.45-70s. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. The Springfield rifle is a typical gun of the American soldiers, including General Custer. this ramrod is straight and measures a full 35 1/2" with 97-99% original finish present. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as well as half-stocked, short-barreled carbines, were produced. After the Civil War, Springfield armory won the bid to manufacturer weapons for the US Army. It was a redesign of the Army’s Allin Trapdoor rifle. This test was held on a NJ beach to get the range, and for the sand impact area that would indicate hits. Our 5447 members have posted 77005 times in 4973 discussions. The sight on trapdoor Springfield rifles when in the down position is what is called the battle position. The 1884 Springfield Trapdoor shoots a straight sided, rimmed 45-70 cartridge propelled (traditionally) with 70 grains of black powder. Presuming you are shooting an origianl Trapdoor Springfield, although you are shooting a bullet that is lighter than the original 405 gr. The trapdoor,model 1884 is a lot stronger than an Allin conversion and a Number 5 roller should be tougher than a number 1 Sporter. It battled the Ku Klux Klan throughout the South in the early 1870s and put down labor unrest in Chicago in 1877. A ground-to-size ice pick, whacked with a stick, removed the primer Can't say if the charge weight and bullet weight are good choices. However, I score better with this load if I watch the wind very closely. Springfield Trapdoors abound at gun shows, gun shops, pawnshops and in private collections. Otherwise Excellent. I dare say there ha e been a lot more rollers blown than TD probably because there are people rebarreling to high intensity rounds. This thing packs a wallop. Great to shoot, very accurate. A short bit of time and anyone can get the feel for this. On this rifle the cleaning rod was the bayonet; the bayonet could be extended ahead of the muzzle and was held by a catch mechanism. The gun, in both full-length and carbine versions, was widely used in subsequent battles against the American Indians.. ***** A Targetized Trapdoor by John Ryckman John has described how he has altered a .45-70 Springfield trapdoor rifle to optimize its shooting qualities. Using BP is a great loading experience and is different in some ways than using smokeless powders. This includes the Trapdoor Springfield. The trapdoor mechanism continued with the adoption of the Springfield 1873 rifle, chambered in the new .45-70 cartridge. The exterior is much nicer than usual. I have a couple Springfield 45-70's, and shoot exclusively black powder by choice. The 405 grain bullet does not expand before moving , that is the reason for the hollow base. Cpt - if you care to look up the birth date of your rifle, here's a link ... John Boy- The sight shown in your photo is the 1879 Buckhorn. I think that this means that the rifle headspace is slightly excessive or that case rims are thinner than they used to be. It equipped the troops also during the Spanish-American War (1898-1899). The Model 1884's have a really cool rear sight that allows for both windage and elevation adjustments, and adjusting it to play with the POI at different ranges is (for me) part of the fun of shooting a Trapdoor. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least .460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. in 1963. Allin’s proposal, based on the Springfield Model 1861 musket, was to cut the section from the breech end of the barrel, which contained the percussion lock, and replace it with a new part with an upwardhinging ‘trapdoor’. great stuff joeb ... now THAT is reloading in it's true spirit.. reminds me that when i was 12 yrs. I cover how I load compressed loads of 70 grains, and going down to 55 grains of BP. Unless the case mouth is belled, the gas will come around the case and dent the case and get it all dirty. I will also add, it's a topic not often covered in TFS. The Springfield stayed in service until 1893, when it was replaced by the Krag–Jørgensen bolt-action rifle. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. In any case, the slightly protruding primer never gave me a problem; however I caution the reader to NEVER use a case primed this way in any gun other than the one used to prime the case. Have a question? The CBA is a international organization of shooters who enjoy casting and shooting lead alloy bullets for competition, hunting, experimenting, and casual shooting. Buyer pays postage. This is designed to put a bullet on a man sized target somewhere from point blank to about 350 yards. It put down labor unrest in Chicago, battled the Ku Klux Klan in South Carolina. #Permalink I bought my first 45/70 rifle, a Springfield model 1884, from Ralph Laffoly at his gun shop in Melrose Mass. this site specializes in: (1) trapdoor springfield rifles & carbines, 1865-1893; (2) indian war & span-am war: u.s springfield trapdoor arms; (3) 1865-1893 military: bayonets, knives, entrenching tools/trowels, mills & prairie belts, mckeever / dyer pouches & carbine boots. It is a lot sharper than the picture shows, and will decap cases easily when whacked with a stick. Shooting high at 100 is common; trapdoor battle sights were typically zeroed for 300 yards with the Frankfurt Arsenal cartridge. However the Trapdoor saw service in the Spanish/American war in Cuba by reservists. Velocity is 1,410 FPS from 18″ barrels. Compare prices 1884 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle And 22 Long Rifle Automatic Pistol That the single shot Trapdoor Springfield was a satisfactory weapon for both infantry and cavalry is evidenced by the fact that it was not until 1892 that it was replaced by a repeater in the form of the bolt action .30-40 Krag Jorgenson rifle. NEVER! bullet, even if you load with the heavier slug, the rifle will shoot 18-24" high at 100 yds! So that's it, the easiest reloading I've ever done, with the absolute minimum of tools and expense. 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle - A ruggedly worn Original example of the Springfield Trapdoor rifle. A "traditional" load for the Trapdoor has been 22 grains of 2400 with a 400 grain cast bullet sized at least.460, most Trapdoor bores are oversize. Start a primer in the primer pocket with the thumb, then put the case in the chamber and close the door, and the primer is seated. Chambered in the classic U.S. Government calibre of .45-70. With the pitted bore near the muzzle, I would consider having the rifle counterbored 8 inches to sound rifling, with a perfect crown. There should be a bit of drag on the empty belled case is chambered, not too much to make the case hard to chamber, just enough so you can feel it drag. There were several good articles about loading BPCR cartridges in a couple of back issues of TFS. The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. I believe the 1879 sight is adjustable for windage once the slide is raised from the base position. The function of the hollow base is to expand and seal the base against the rifling. A Cinnamon black bear. The Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield was the first standard-issue breech-loading rifle adopted by the United States Army (although the Springfield Model 1866 had seen limited issue to troops along the Bozeman Trail in 1867). I hope the data from my experience helps you. Breech block is marked U.S. Model of 1884, Buffington rear sight, inspector cartouche is dated 1888, P proof behind the trigger gaurd is visible but faint. It is loaded with the same 300 grain Hornady JHP used in our full strength 45/70. Breech block is marked U.S. Model of 1884, Buffington rear sight, inspector cartouche is dated 1888, P … It's great to see you over here. vintage.45-70 springfield trapdoor rifle*original* m1879 ramrod* for your viewing pleasure* vintage*original* m1879 springfield trapdoor rifle* correct ramrod* 45/70 caliber-indian wars era(1866-97) in excellent working condition! The Springfield Trapdoor rifles and carbines were a series of breech loading rifle and carbine weapons built from 1865 to about 1888, beginning with the Model 1865 and then with other models being introduced every few years. The rifle is in good to very good condition with a nice patina, original stock, shiny bore and very visible rifling. A Cinnamon black bear. A reduced power loading was also adopted for use in the Trapdoor carbine. Rivoli Rifle Club at New Windsor, Illinois had a early November Turkey Shoot with an offhand match for the Trapdoor at 200 yards on a swinging clay pigeon, many shooters used the above load. This because maybe, just maybe, the primer might go off prematurely in another gun. I have found in my rifles one likes heavy loads and the other lite loads. Buy Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Shoot 22 Magnum And Long Rifle And Shooting Springfield Trapdoor Rifle Reviews : You This is the process that always accompanies a paper patch bullet so why not try it with; I'm assuming now, your grease groove bullets. Springfield Krag Trapdoors Springfield Muskets M1 Garand 1892 - 1894 Krag 1896 Krag 1898 Krag 1899 - 1903 Krag Krag Accessories Model 1865 1st Allin Model 1866 .50-70 Model 1868-1870 .50-70 Model 1873-1890 .45-70 ... Trapdoor Accessories Stormin, depending on the model Trapdoor you have, adjusting your rear sight may be your fix. For additional photographs, descriptions and specifications see: The .45-70 Springfield-Book I or The .45-70 Springfield-Book II-1865-1893.. Return to Front Page View Sporting Rifles View Model 1884 Round Rod Bayonet Rifles Others are so pristine they look like they were never issued. Trapdoor Springfield rifle in 45-70. Thanks, Ed. See DeHaas book on Single Shot rifles and do a little searching on the ASSRA forum. Select a load starting around 10 grains and never more than 14 grains of Unique. MP0282 Saddle Bar Ring 1873-1889 Springfield 45/70 Trapdoor Carbine, Spencer Rifle/Carbine, & 1859 - 63 Sharps, 1874 Sharps, & Our Price: $4.95 Compare Compressing the powder often improves the performance of a lot of black powder loadings. I cast bullets and lubricated them by hand or pan lubed them, and developed a way to reload at the range. 73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia. 405 gn loads in the 14-1600 FPS range would be safe in a Trapdoor Springfield IF the rifle has been checked by a gunsmith and determined to be in condition to shoot standard 45-70 ammo. From a hide , about 50 yards. With a hinged breech block, this classic rifle A local gunsmith and former armorer took a look and removed the pin that held the front sight balde and replaced the blade with one from a Krag or Springfield (can't remember which) put the pin back in and all was well at 100. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > chuck faison Member. For your entertainment, here is a trapdoor I finished a couple weeks ago. Among its many problems, after prolonged firing, blackpowder residue tended to seize the shell in the chamber, making the weapon useless. This rifle was in nice condition, with a bright and shiny bore; and cost $40. Here's the ice pick. luckily there's a guys makes this scope mount. No Ordinary Trapdoor! Like the .50-70, the .45-70 used a copper center-fire case design. my eyes are still good enough for target with the buffington sights but not to hunt with. shooting trapdoor springfield. Some are so beat up they surely were in the Indian Wars. For your security, your session will expire in 2 minutes … The rifle will be my long range side action gun for SASS competition. The Model 1873 is the most popular with collectors. The final development in the Trapdoor Springfield story issued to the regular and volunteer U.S. troops. Here's a 45-70 case with the Lee de-capping rod and base, and a mallet to operate them. Full-stocked, 32 inch barreled rifles, as … The Cast Bullet Association is an organization of shooters who enjoy shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns for competition, hunting, or informal target shooting. I've read the following article before, and it's been referenced in several places. Springfield 45/70 Springfield Trapdoor Cadet Rifle) Rifles for sale in Christchurch, United Kingdom Then the base of the bullet rests on top of the wad(s). But with black powder you need to avoid allowing an air gap to be present between the base of the bullet and the top of the powder. 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